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Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:46 am
by Morosan
Hi folks,

I'm a new owner of 2013 Scirocco 2.0 TSI DSG and I'm in love with this thing as it took me quite a beating to get used to it. I'll make this quick.

As soon as I passed break-in period according to the manual I wanted to try out launch control on my way back to home (I almost vomited, no kidding). I had a blast but what I realized is that the DSG was shifting faster than usual. There is always a short stop between shifts when accelerating normally either D or S but with launch control it's non-stop and the car sounds better this way.

But why does this happen with launch control? It's as if the clutch is slipping slightly but man that's cool :vibes:

I also realized after a couple of WOTs the car sounds slightly louder than usual for a short moment.

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:53 pm
by b0rk
The longer shift increases component longevity due to lower wear/stress.

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:42 pm
by Gray170TDI
A little off topic but I had a passenger ride in a Golf R DSG which was Stage 3 (slightly bigger turbo) - running around 400bhp. LC was unreal :D it actually made me feel sick! 0-60 in 3.4 seconds :nod:

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:47 pm
by wigit
Gray170TDI wrote:A little off topic but I had a passenger ride in a Golf R DSG which was Stage 3 (slightly bigger turbo) - running around 400bhp. LC was unreal :D it actually made me feel sick! 0-60 in 3.4 seconds :nod:
having watched the constancy of that car at Inters last year mk7 Golf R DSG was an easy choice especially if Stage 1 they will pump out 370bhp

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:40 pm
by Gray170TDI
wigit wrote:
Gray170TDI wrote:A little off topic but I had a passenger ride in a Golf R DSG which was Stage 3 (slightly bigger turbo) - running around 400bhp. LC was unreal :D it actually made me feel sick! 0-60 in 3.4 seconds :nod:
having watched the constancy of that car at Inters last year mk7 Golf R DSG was an easy choice especially if Stage 1 they will pump out 370bhp
Absolutely. And the DSG & haldex can handle 1000's of launches, not that anyone would do as many as Hurdy :D

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:59 pm
by a4gee
I was under the impression that the dsg can`t handle a lot of LC starts. VW also knows what you`ve done when they plug in their gadgets. So if the dsg fails you won`t be covered if still under warranty.

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:59 am
by Gray170TDI
a4gee wrote:I was under the impression that the dsg can`t handle a lot of LC starts. VW also knows what you`ve done when they plug in their gadgets. So if the dsg fails you won`t be covered if still under warranty.
As the LC is a feature of the gearbox I don't think they can argue that you have used it too much and that's why it's failed. As long as the car is serviced properly and the gearbox hasn't been modified in any way, then warranty is valid. The handbook doesn't say to limit the use of it, so make the most of it :yes:

The chap myself an Wigit know has done thousands of hard launches and he says it just keeps getting better and better. The DSG boxes are very robust and the majority of the failures that do happen are electrical systems, not mechanical failures

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:41 pm
by Morosan
Gray170TDI wrote:
a4gee wrote:I was under the impression that the dsg can`t handle a lot of LC starts. VW also knows what you`ve done when they plug in their gadgets. So if the dsg fails you won`t be covered if still under warranty.
As the LC is a feature of the gearbox I don't think they can argue that you have used it too much and that's why it's failed. As long as the car is serviced properly and the gearbox hasn't been modified in any way, then warranty is valid. The handbook doesn't say to limit the use of it, so make the most of it :yes:

The chap myself an Wigit know has done thousands of hard launches and he says it just keeps getting better and better. The DSG boxes are very robust and the majority of the failures that do happen are electrical systems, not mechanical failures
LOL! My manual doesn't mention anything about Launch Control. I thought there is a button next to TCS that activates Launch Control.

Best part is when you use LC and chirp on 2nd. Happened to me once :hyper: .. felt like I'm driving a V8 muscle.

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:18 pm
by Gray170TDI
There's no button specifically, you have to turn off ESP, gearbox into sport, hold down brake and accelerator at same time. Revs hold at a point, take your foot off brake.

Pretty sure it's in my manual :)

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Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:45 pm
by Sidewaysgt4
Gray170TDI wrote:There's no button specifically, you have to turn off ESP, gearbox into sport, hold down brake and accelerator at same time. Revs hold at a point, take your foot off brake.

Pretty sure it's in my manual :)

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Out of curiosity, will it work with manual mode also?

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:21 pm
by Gray170TDI
The is a sort of static rev limiter (my TDI has one for definite).

Tbh launch control isn't the best way to get off the line quicky in a 2wd car, your better launching more slowly and feeding in the power progressively to get the best start. LC on a 4wd Golf R is awesome though!

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:04 am
by a4gee
Not in my manual hence why I know about what VW will do.

I`ve got a 09 plate so maybe later ones were changed?

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:06 am
by a4gee
Sidewaysgt4 wrote:
Gray170TDI wrote:There's no button specifically, you have to turn off ESP, gearbox into sport, hold down brake and accelerator at same time. Revs hold at a point, take your foot off brake.

Pretty sure it's in my manual :)

Edit: see here " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Out of curiosity, will it work with manual mode also?

That video showed it with manual mode

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:51 am
by Brocky
a4gee wrote:
Sidewaysgt4 wrote:
Gray170TDI wrote:There's no button specifically, you have to turn off ESP, gearbox into sport, hold down brake and accelerator at same time. Revs hold at a point, take your foot off brake.

Pretty sure it's in my manual :)

Edit: see here " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Out of curiosity, will it work with manual mode also?

That video showed it with manual mode
:?

That's DSG...

*Edit* - Nevermind. I read it as manual box. :clap: :shrug:

Re: Why does my Scirocco shifts faster with LC?

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:59 pm
by Sidewaysgt4
a4gee wrote:
Sidewaysgt4 wrote:
Gray170TDI wrote:There's no button specifically, you have to turn off ESP, gearbox into sport, hold down brake and accelerator at same time. Revs hold at a point, take your foot off brake.

Pretty sure it's in my manual :)

Edit: see here " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Out of curiosity, will it work with manual mode also?

That video showed it with manual mode
Thank you, hadn't watched the video, it's the only one I've ever seen that didn't specify sport mode. Thanks again