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Waspy wrote:

douglaslad wrote:Am I right in saying that the the 1.4 160 is not going to be available withe the new facelift model and the only TSI 1.4 version will go from the present 122 BHP to 125BHP. If you want more power then you will have to go for one of the 2.L versions.

From current press releases, yes, this is correct.

What do you think the reason for this is?

I have one other question for anyone that can help..

It may be stupid but please dont feel the need to have a dig..

Between the 122 and 160... is there much of a difference in how the car sounds..

Like does the 160 sound significantly more sporty in anyway??

tainstar wrote:

Waspy wrote:

douglaslad wrote:Am I right in saying that the the 1.4 160 is not going to be available withe the new facelift model and the only TSI 1.4 version will go from the present 122 BHP to 125BHP. If you want more power then you will have to go for one of the 2.L versions.

From current press releases, yes, this is correct.

What do you think the reason for this is?

I don't know.

Technologies change, maybe they just decided putting a 1.4 on steroids isn't as mechanically sensible as doing it the old fashioned way and increasing capacity.

I haven't seen the prices for the new roc, but as always, it could equally be down to margins. All speculation though. I don't think it's due to the earlier issues though, if that's what you were getting at.

On the sporty question: I haven't driven the 122, so this isn't an informed statement. But I wouldn't imagine they sound too different. However, the sound of a supercharger is pretty damn cool IMO, and the 122 doesn't have that...

Could be a 'de-riskment strategy' as Waspy has said or might be down the amount of work/investment they'd have to put into the 1.4 to obtain the power vs emissions otherwise obtained for the new 2.0 178hp version: the new engines are claimed to have significantly reduced emissions.

TBH, when I'm carrying a full car load of passengers, making the car feel less nimble, I somtimes feel a bit embarrassed by the supercharger/exhaust note, and which can seem over the top on even mild acceleration. The 160 can be a fun car but it's engine size does proclaim itself when pushed/under strain.

I had a 2009 1.4 160 which had no engine problems. I would either go for:
used - the newest/lowest mileage 1.4 160 you can find and buy a VW extended warranty when the original warranty expires
new - go for the new lower powered 2.0 car
I now have a 2.0 GT and love it.