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Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:44 am
by STEVIE-B
Hi All!
Just purchased a new (used) rocco, and the paintwork in parts is appalling, on the driver side door it looks like someone has taken a sponge filled with grit and rubbed it on the car
What is the best way to, at least improve this!
The car is black! so shows everything
thanks
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:48 am
by Cuprabob
Take it to a local detailer and have a paint correction done.
The other option is to go over to detailingworld.com and learn about wet sanding and polishing, if you are so inclined.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:04 am
by STEVIE-B
Ok, thanks, I will try and find a decent local detailer! I wouldn't mind trying myself however I'm always concerned about making it worse! Thankyou!
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:12 am
by Cuprabob
If you give your rough location, maybe someone will be able to recommend one in your area.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:15 am
by STEVIE-B
Good shout, thanks! Based near Portsmouth in Hampshire!
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:29 am
by Phil
Wet sanding probably is a bit to much for swirls but bob is right. DA polisher, patience and some polishing compound finished off wish a good wax & sealant should sort it out. I would do some research before hand, DA's can cause more damage if used incorrectly
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:51 pm
by STEVIE-B
Done some research, and contacted some local valeting companies, been quoted about £500-600 for a "two stage paint correction" - I have taken a look and think I will have a go myself, only concern is the paint thickness. I don't want to be overzealous and take too much off!
Thanks for the advice!
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:55 pm
by Paddy_R
If you use a DA rather than a rotary polisher the likelihood of doing any damage will be dramatically reduced. It will take longer though.
The be fair they're reasonable prices for a two stage correction as it will take several days to do.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:52 pm
by STEVIE-B
Paddy_R wrote:If you use a DA rather than a rotary polisher the likelihood of doing any damage will be dramatically reduced. It will take longer though.
The be fair they're reasonable prices for a two stage correction as it will take several days to do.
I've got a DA which I am able to borrow! Just been researching products / compounds etc!
Hmm does it? I was under the impression they would do it in a day! I'll have to question them a bit more!
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Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:54 pm
by Paddy_R
Look at Maguires 105 & 205 compounds. They're great to work with and give excellent results.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:21 am
by xjay1337
STEVIE-B wrote:Paddy_R wrote:If you use a DA rather than a rotary polisher the likelihood of doing any damage will be dramatically reduced. It will take longer though.
The be fair they're reasonable prices for a two stage correction as it will take several days to do.
I've got a DA which I am able to borrow! Just been researching products / compounds etc!
Hmm does it? I was under the impression they would do it in a day! I'll have to question them a bit more!
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You can do it in a day, I did mine in a day and applied Crystal Serum.
However I had already polished my car before so it did not need a heavy correction and I only needed to do a refinement rather than an outright correction.
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 (ETA: per day!!) is around the right money for detailing.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:54 pm
by STEVIE-B
Swirl Marks
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:55 pm
by Mr OCD
xjay1337 wrote:
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 is around the right money for detailing.
Not for 25-30 hours work it isn't. You'd be lucky to get single stage work for £250.
Three stage correction:
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:56 am
by xjay1337
Mr OCD wrote:xjay1337 wrote:
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 is around the right money for detailing.
Not for 25-30 hours work it isn't. You'd be lucky to get single stage work for £250.
Three stage correction:
Oops, I should have said "per day".
I used to do detailing so I should know.
Generally around £500 for a Scirocco sized vehicle, and £600-700 with a coating depending on what coating you go for lol
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:58 am
by STEVIE-B
Mr OCD wrote:xjay1337 wrote:
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 is around the right money for detailing.
Not for 25-30 hours work it isn't. You'd be lucky to get single stage work for £250.
Couldnt complain if it was for 25-30 hours work. The place I went for a quote said it would be done in a day, drop it off at 8am and pick it up after work. Thought £500-600 was high for just one day, if it is generally a few days and takes this sort of time it makes more sense!
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:00 am
by Mr OCD
xjay1337 wrote:Mr OCD wrote:xjay1337 wrote:
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 is around the right money for detailing.
Not for 25-30 hours work it isn't. You'd be lucky to get single stage work for £250.
Three stage correction:
Oops, I should have said "per day".
I used to do detailing so I should know.
Generally around £500 for a Scirocco sized vehicle, and £600-700 with a coating depending on what coating you go for lol
I've been detailing for over 10 years now long before all the cowboys jumped on the bandwagon, these days I just do it part-time to keep my arm in ...
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:02 am
by Mr OCD
STEVIE-B wrote:Mr OCD wrote:xjay1337 wrote:
You can easily spend 25-30 hours doing a 2 or 3 stage correction especially on some cars with harder paint types. Generally around £250 is around the right money for detailing.
Not for 25-30 hours work it isn't. You'd be lucky to get single stage work for £250.
Couldnt complain if it was for 25-30 hours work. The place I went for a quote said it would be done in a day, drop it off at 8am and pick it up after work. Thought £500-600 was high for just one day, if it is generally a few days and takes this sort of time it makes more sense!
That depends on variables. i.e. it might be done in one day and £500-£600 but you could have 2-3 people working on it, rather than one person working 2-3 days.
Going rates are about £250 - £500 per day depending on who you use and where.
Ceramics start at about £100 and can go up to over £600-£700.
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:03 am
by STEVIE-B
Makes sense, thanks Mr OCD. (y)
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:45 pm
by Bails1310
STEVIE-B wrote:As I know I won't get a chance to do this for about 3 weeks I had a little bash at getting the worst scratches out on Friday! Pretty happy with the results considering I did it by hand in about an hour! [emoji4][emoji106]I know it's not fantastic but think I have done well considering it was my first attempt! Before and after pictures below!
What polish/compound did you use?
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EDIT - How on earth do I resize these
Re: Swirl Marks
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:54 pm
by Dazarooni
I'd have that sorted in a full day with a rotary, Flex 3401, Lake Country purple foamed wool pads, Scholl Navy pad, Scholl S3 Gold XXL and Scholl S40. Paint thickness measurements taken first. In my experience, a Scirocco has around 130 microns of paint which is decent to work with unlike some Japanese cars where the paint is less than 80 microns.
